Osho - Finger
Pointing to the Moon
Chapter 11. The
Soul's Thirst
During samadhi, the objects of
the experiences are not separate from the soul, hence they are not experienced.
But these glorified experiences of the seeker who has come out of samadhi are
inferred through recollections of the mind.
In this beginningless world,
millions and millions of karma, action- impressions, are accumulated. They are
all destroyed by this samadhi and pure dharma, the self-nature, grows.
The knowers of yoga call it
dharmamegha - the raincloud of dharma - samadhi, because it showers a thousand
nectar-streams of dharma, the self-nature, like a raincloud.
In this samadhi, the network of
desires dissolves completely and the thickets of accumulated karma called
virtue and sin are all uprooted at their very source.
At first, this boundless
statement - tattvamasi, that art thou - being true, is only realized
indirectly; then the direct knowledge, like a myrobalan fruit kept on one's own
palm, is born.
This morning we talked about
listening, contemplation, assimilation and samadhi. Samadhi, enlightenment, is
the end of the world in you and the beginning of the truth. Samadhi is the
death of the mind and the birth of the soul. Looked at from this end samadhi is
the last step, looked at from the other end samadhi is the first step.
The mind goes on becoming
reduced and dissolved more and more through listening, contemplation and
assimilation; in samadhi, it is fully dissolved. And when the mind is fully
dissolved, there begins the experience of what we really are. This sutra is about
this samadhi. And in this sutra are some very deep things to be understood.
During samadhi the objects of
the experiences are not separate from the soul, hence they are not experienced.
But these glorified experiences of the seeker who has come out of samadhi are
inferred through recollections of the mind.
Let this first thing be
understood with your full attention. If not today, then tomorrow it will be
useful to those who are meditating. There is no experience in samadhi. You will
be troubled to hear this.
There cannot be any experience
in samadhi, and yet samadhi is the supreme experience. This is a paradoxical
statement, it looks contradictory, but there are some reasons for it. In
samadhi supreme bliss is experienced, but the seeker who is in samadhi does not
come to know of it because the seeker and the bliss have become one, and there
is no distance between the two for any knowing to take place.
We come to know only those
things which are separate from us, at some distance from us. The realization,
the experience of bliss in samadhi is not felt during samadhi. When the seeker
comes out of the state of samadhi he infers that bliss had happened; it is a
hindsight that ultimate bliss had happened, that the nectar had showered. That
one had lived in a different dimension, that one had experienced some deeper
state of life - all this is remembered afterwards when the mind is back.
Let us understand it this way.
Listening, contemplation, assimilation and samadhi - these are the four steps.
It is through these steps that the seeker reaches to the door of samadhi and
realizes. If the seeker is not able to come out of samadhi and remains in it,
he will never be able to relate his experience to anyone. Then there simply is
no way of relating one's experience.
But any seeker who reaches the
state of samadhi never returns the same person; he returns a completely new
person. On the return all relationships are changed in his mind; however, he
does return into the mind. Previously, when he used to live in the mind, he was
a slave of the mind, he had no mastery over anything; the mind was able to get
him to do anything it wanted. He had to agree to whatsoever mind was dictating,
he had to run wherever the mind was making him run. It was a slavery by the
mind, mind had the reins of the soul in its hands.
When a seeker returns from the
doors of samadhi into the mind he returns as the master. Now the reins are in
his own hands. Now he moves the mind where he wants to move it. If he does not
want to move it anywhere, he does not move it. If he wants it to function, he
makes it function, otherwise not. Now mind has no power of its own. But the
seeker who has attained to samadhi can remember things only after he returns to
the mind - of course, as its master this time. Because memory is a faculty of
mind, that is why he can look back through mind to see what had happened.
This means that mind registers
not only the events of the worldly life, but also registers what is happening
when the seeker enters samadhi. Mind is a two-sided mirror. In it the outside
world is reflected, in it the inside world is reflected. So it is only when the
seeker returns to the mind that he is able to experience what happened. If he
returns through the same three steps, then only can he express it.
While returning from samadhi,
the first step of the seeker will be assimilation. It is at the step of
assimilation that he will start experiencing what he has known in samadhi in a
subtle form, at a deep level, at his own ultimate center. He will start seeing it
reflected in his own behavior. When he lifts his foot, it will not feel as if
it is the same old foot; the foot will have a sort of dance to it. When he
raises his eyebrows and sees, the eyes will not feel as if they are the same
old eyes, but fresh and clear like the morning dewdrop. When getting up he will
feel as if weightless, as if he can fly in the sky. When he takes his meals he
will see that the food is going into his body and he himself has never taken
meals.
Now whatsoever the seeker just
returned from samadhi does on that first step of assimilation, there will be
the reflection of samadhi in his behavior; everywhere his behavior will have a
new grace.
That man of yesterday is dead.
He is not the same person who was there before samadhi, standing within the
boundary of assimilation. The step is the same, but this person climbing down
is different.
He has returned having known
something, and he has returned knowing such a thing that his entire life is
transformed. And in this knowing the old has died and the new is born.
At the step of assimilation he
will see that which has happened in samadhi reflected. The juice that has
flowed within him will be seen flowing in every direction in his behavior, from
his every cell.
Mahakashyapa was every now and
then coming to ask Buddha when samadhi would happen.
Buddha was telling him not to
worry, and that he would not need to come and ask him when it happened. When it
happens, you will recognize it. And not only will you recognize it, whosoever
sees you will recognize it if they have even a little bit of ability to see,
because when that revolution happens within its rays shine out, piercing their
way through the person's body, being and everything.
On the step of assimilation the
seeker will know that he is a different person; that he is new, that he is born
again. He will know that he is not the same person who had gone into samadhi.
Someone had gone in, somebody else has come out.
The next step below
assimilation is contemplation. When the seeker comes into the mind further down
from assimilation, the moment of contemplation will arise. Now the seeker will
be able to think, look back and contemplate as to what really happened:
"What did I see? What is it that I came to know? What did I live?"
Now he will try to put his experience into thoughts, words and concepts.
It is those who have been able
to put their experience into words at the step of contemplation who have given
birth to the Vedas, the Upanishads, the Bible and the Koran. Many have reached
the state of samadhi, but it is a difficult task to bring back to the step of
contemplation what has been known.
Remember, the earlier journey
towards samadhi was not as difficult as we think it is. If we compare it with
the return journey it was very easy. This return journey is very difficult.
Thousands attain samadhi, but only a very few of them are able to come back and
take a footing at the step of assimilation. Still fewer are able to descend to
the step of contemplation. And still fewer make it to that first step called
listening.
The name of this step is
changed on the return journey, about which I shall talk to you later.
Thousands reach to the state of
samadhi, but rarely does one of them become a buddha. Buddha means one who is
able to climb down all the four steps and give to the world what he has known.
Contemplation means putting all
that is thoughtless into thoughts on the return journey. Putting that which
cannot be spoken, cannot be thought, within the boundaries of words is the most
impossible of all things in this world.
You see it when the morning sun
rises. Seldom is a painter able to catch that rising aspect of the sun in his
painting. It is not very difficult to paint the sun, any painter can do that,
but to catch the rising aspect of it is difficult. The phenomenon of rising,
that quality of growth which is successively growing - if that gets painted, so
that seeing the painting one feels that the sun is about to move...
now, now it is rising up, up...
This seldom happens. To catch a tree in a painting is not difficult, but to
catch its aliveness is difficult. Looking at it one may feel that the leaves
are about to flutter any moment, a slight breeze and the flowers will fall off.
This is very difficult to paint - very difficult. And that is the difference
between photography and painting. No matter how sharp a photograph may be, it
portrays only the dead aspects, it does not portray the aliveness.
However, the sun, the trees,
the flowers are experiences of ordinary life; they can be caught.
Samadhi is an extraordinary
experience - it happens to only one in millions. And what happens there, all
the senses become incapable of informing about it. The ears do not hear there,
eyes cannot see there, hands cannot touch there, and the experience that happens
there is boundless. The vast immensity falling over your roof, or the whole sky
coming down into your courtyard, the havoc, the dumbfoundedness that will come
to you - something similar to this happens in the moment of samadhi. This tiny
personal space of consciousness, and the whole ocean descends over it.
Kabir has said that first he
figured that the drop had fallen into the ocean. But when he came to his senses
he realized that the situation was just the opposite: it is the ocean that had
fallen into the drop. So Kabir has said that at first he thought that he would
be able to somehow tell something or the other after returning - though that
too appeared difficult. It is difficult.
Kabir's words are,
Herat herat hey sakhi rahya
kabir herayi
Bunda samani samunda men so kat
heri jayi
"Oh friend! Seeking and
searching, Kabir was gradually lost. The drop has fallen in the ocean, how can
the drop be sought out?"
The drop that fell into the
ocean, how to bring it out again in order that it may narrate the happening to
the world? This was already difficult, but Kabir afterwards changed the lines
of the song, cancelling the previous ones, and said, "That was a mistake
committed because of haste. The experience was new. I could not quite understand
what had happened. Out of the old habit I saw things the wrong way
around." Then he wrote the verse differently, herat herat hey sakhi rahya
kabir herayi samunda samana bunda men so kat hera jayi.
"Oh friend, seeking and
searching, Kabir was gradually lost. The ocean has fallen into the drop, how
can the drop be sought out?
"The ocean has descended
into the drop. Had it been the drop that had fallen into the ocean perhaps
somehow I would have sought it out, but just the opposite has happened: it is
the whole ocean that has fallen into the drop. Now even if I want to I would
not know where to look for this drop. Now this drop cannot be found."
The mediums that have enabled
us to know all that we have known in the world become useless in knowing what
happens in the moment of samadhi. We ourselves become useless. Our very
existence gets shattered. Some bigger existence, which has no limits, bursts
forth on us - suddenly.
We die in the process.
Samadhi is the ultimate death,
bigger than the physical death; because in the physical death only the body
dies, the mind survives, whereas in samadhi the mind dies. For the first time
our entire relationship with the mind breaks; for the first time all the
connecting strings of the mind snap, making us separate. And our whole
knowledge was of the mind. So in samadhi, for the first time, we stand utterly
ignorant.
Let me repeat it: in samadhi
our knowledge does not help, because all that knowledge was learned by the
mind, and that mind is left far behind, far away. We have gone beyond the mind.
The one who knew is no longer a companion there. The one who understood
everything, the one who had the knowledge of all kinds of words and doctrines,
the one who had digested all the scriptures, is left far behind. It is not only
the outer garment, the body, that is left behind, but the very mind is left
behind. All that has been our deepest experience is left behind. Taking the
jump from the mind the seeker now stands at the very door of samadhi; now he
has no way of knowing.
Whosoever enters the door to
samadhi is suddenly totally ignorant. There is no way there for knowing
anything, no system for knowing anything, no means for knowing anything, just
the pure knowing remains. It is very difficult to give any information after
coming back. Who is there to give information? Who is there to bring the news?
But the information has been given. Some people have made untiring efforts to
do this.
They are the most compassionate
ones in this world who gave information after returning from samadhi. Why?
Because even the desire to return from samadhi does not arise. Returning from
samadhi is like returning from a situation where you achieved everything you
wanted, where all wishes were fulfilled, where there remained no reason for
even a slight movement, a slight activity to return from such a place.
It is said that when Buddha
attained samadhi he did not come out of it for seven days. It is a beautiful
story. It says that all the gods gathered at his feet, Indra began to weep and
Brahma put his head on Buddha's feet and they all requested Buddha not to
remain like that. "Because," they said, "even we gods pine for
the message that the person returning from samadhi gives. And so many people
for so many lifetimes wait for someone to become a buddha and deliver the
message after coming back from samadhi, to speak and tell what he has known. So
please do not remain silent, please speak."
But Buddha said, "There is
no one left here to speak, there is no desire left to speak. Moreover, what I
have witnessed - it is hard even for me to believe that it can be spoken. Where
then is the chance of listeners understanding it?"
When the gods did not agree,
Buddha further said, "If you do not agree, I will speak; but I tell you
that these things that I may say to somebody, I myself would not have
understood had someone else told them to me before my own realization. So how
will anybody else understand? Through this experience I have also come to
another understanding, that those who will be able to understand what I have to
say can also reach without me; and those who would not be able to understand
what I have to say - there is no sense in racking one's brain in front of
them."
But the gods gave a very lovely
argument. They said, "We do understand, as you have rightly said, that
those who would be able to understand are the very people who are standing on
the verge of the experience, only a step away from it; they would somehow be
able to cross this distance too even without you. No, we are not asking you to
speak for them. And this too we accept, that there are people who have not
taken even a single step on the path. Your voice will not reach to these - they
will not understand. We do not ask you to speak for them either. But there are
such people also who are in the middle of the above two types. Those who would
not perhaps be able to understand if you do not speak, but can perhaps
understand if you do speak."
The gods emphasized 'perhaps'
though. But they also said one more thing to Buddha, "These people in the
'perhaps' category, they may understand, they may not. But if even one person
who might have understood missed because of you not speaking... You think about
it. It will be a pain to you, it will be a pain on you. And such a thing
buddhas have never done before." So Buddha spoke.
In the moment of samadhi it is
very natural to feel that now all speaking, telling, explaining is useless.
To whom to tell? To whom to
say? Whom to listen? But despite all this, some people have returned from
samadhi.
On coming back to the
contemplation step, a most difficult thing happens to such people. Hence great
artists are not those artists who compose songs and poems, not those who create
paintings and sculpt, but the great artists are those who at this step of
contemplation put the absolutely invisible and imperceptible experience of
samadhi into visible and perceptible word pictures. The great artists are those
who make efforts that somehow, if even a few hints can be given... who create
some devices, devise some system of thoughts, some corollary of thoughts from
where you too can have at least a small glimpse, a slight sensation, a little
thrill of that experience - even if at the mental level.
Many people attain even to this
step of contemplation. But the last step - which was called shravana,
listening, the first step while going - that same step now becomes pravachan,
discoursing, while returning from samadhi. The step is the same - listening,
speaking. What was shravana, the right listening, on the way towards samadhi
becomes pravachan, the right speaking, on the way back from samadhi.
And remember, on that first
step towards samadhi is the disciple, and on this last step on the way back
from samadhi is the master, and the meeting that happens between the two is
upanishad.
Where the listener is rightly
present and where the speaker is rightly present the phenomenon of the meeting
between the two is upanishad.
The word upanishad means that
which one knew in being near the master, that which one listened to sitting
near the master, that which came into one's experience in his presence, that
which echoed in his nearness, that which was touched in his proximity.
Upanishad means sitting near,
being near, having the closeness.
So the work of the disciples is
just to listen, and the master should remain just the speech. The listener is
not there, the speaker is not there; here remains just the speech, there
remains just the capability of listening, then upanishad happens.
The sutra says:
During samadhi, the objects of
the experiences are not separate from the soul.
Whether it is bliss being
experienced, silence being experienced, peace being experienced, nothingness
being experienced or emancipation being experienced, none of these experiences
can be directly caught in samadhi ... Hence they are not experienced. These
dispositions are not consciously experienced.
But these glorified experiences
of the seeker who has come out of samadhi are inferred through recollections...
So even Buddha cannot say that
it is so in samadhi. He too says only this much, that it is his inference that
it is so in samadhi. Mahavira used to say anything only with the prefix
'perhaps' added. He would say, "Perhaps there is bliss there."
Nobody should deduce from this
that Mahavira does not know. From his words it appears so - if Mahavira says
'perhaps', then it seems he also has some doubts. It is not due to any doubt
but due to extreme loyalty to truth that he speaks thus. Mahavira's loyalty to
truth is so untainted and so virgin that it is difficult to find such loyalty
to truth elsewhere.
So what Mahavira is saying is
that the mind through which he is knowing this was not present at the time of
the experience. For the mind, this is news heard from a distance; where the
happening took place, mind was not present. Mind is not an eyewitness. The mind
was away. It has thought and used inference now, but the event happened far
away.
It is as if sitting here we can
see the snow covering the peak of Gourishankar - from here! The mind was
physically far away from that peak, and it has only inferred the cold
prevailing there at the peak of Gourishankar.
Hence Mahavira uses the word
syat, perhaps. He says that perhaps there is supreme bliss there.
He does so because of his
extreme loyalty to truth, because these are, after all, the inferences of the
mind. Mahavira has known, for him it is not an inference. But the one who knows
becomes so much one in the moment of knowing that nothing is experienced. When
Mahavira returns into the mind, after knowing...
Let us understand it this way.
It is as if you go to the peak of Gourishankar and become one with the cold
there, you yourself become the cold. Or you become one with the snow there, you
too get frozen like the snow and thus have no experience because the
experiencer is not separate anymore.
Then you come down from the
peak and after reaching the lowlands you pick up your binoculars and look again
at Gourishankar through them. The experience of what has been known has
remained reverberating inside. The closeness was such that because of the lack
of distance necessary for knowing it could not be known. It has now attained a
perspective because of the distance. Now picking up the binoculars of mind one
has looked back. Now it feels through inference that there was ultimate
coolness there, there was an expanse of absolutely spotless white snow; what a
great height it was! It feels that all gravitation had disappeared, as if one
had attained wings and could fly in the sky; what a clear sky it was! It feels
that it was such a blueness that even the clouds were all left down below and
only a cloudless empty sky had remained.
But all this is an afterthought
when standing back on the low ground. Hence the sutra says ... Are inferred
through recollections of the mind.
In this beginningless world,
millions and millions of karma, action- impressions, are accumulated. They are
all destroyed by this samadhi and pure dharma, the self-nature, grows.
In this second sutra there are
two very valuable words: karma and dharma, action and religion. What we do is
action, and what we are is religion. Religion means our self-nature and action
means what we are doing. Action means our self-nature reaching outside. Action
means that we reach outside ourselves into the world. Action means that we
connect with somebody other than ourselves. Self- nature means separate from
the other, without relating to the world - the 'I am', the inner being. It has
nothing to do with your doing. It is not made of what you do. It is present
prior to all your doings.
It is your nature.
There can be a mistake in
karma, the doing; there can be none in dharma. Remember, the word dharma does
not mean religion here. Dharma here means a quality - our self-nature, our inner
self-nature, our being.
So the more the doing, the more
the self-nature goes on getting covered. All that we do goes on burying our
being underneath. And there are so many layers of our doing that slowly, slowly
we forget completely that there is any being of ours other than that of the
doings.
If somebody asks you, "Who
are you?" - whatever answer you give is about your doing, not about your
being. You say you are an engineer, you say you are a doctor, you say you are a
businessman.
Do you realize that business is
a doing? You are not a businessman, you are doing business. How can a person be
a doctor? A person can do the work of a doctor. How can a person be an
engineer?
If a person can become an
engineer, the person as such will be lost. The person can do the work of an
engineer. Engineering is his doing, his work, not his being.
Whatsoever description you give
about yourself, if you look deeply into it you will find that you are always
saying what you do and never saying a thing about your being. And you cannot.
You yourself know nothing about it, you know only what you do. You are thorough
about the doing part - what you do, what you can do. All that you are able to
say is what you have done in the past and what you are able to do in the
future. All those certificates you carry around say nothing but what you can
do, not what you are. If you say you are a sadhu, a seeker, it means you are a
doer of seeking.
If somebody says he is a thief,
it means that his work is the stealing of things. One's act is that of seeking
the truth, the other's is that of stealing things.
But what is your being? What is
within you? When you were not yet born from the womb of your mother, what did
it mean to be a sadhu, a thief, an engineer or a doctor? Had someone asked you
while you were in the womb of your mother who you were, it would have been
difficult to answer, because you were not an engineer then, you were not a
doctor then, you had not yet done any business. Had someone asked you in your
mother's womb, "Who is in?" no answer would have been possible. Or do
you think it would have been possible? You were still in the mother's womb - no
answer could have come.
Now many methods have been
discovered for brainwashing. You say you are an engineer, but your brain can be
washed, and after the brainwashing is done properly, if you are asked,
"Who are you?" you will just remain blank, because your being an
engineer was only in your memory system. You had studied, had received
certificates, had done something, had received merits or demerits; it was all
in your memory, which has now been washed out. Now you cannot give any answer
as to who you are. But you still are. Your being cannot be effaced by washing
out your memory, but the impressions of your actions can be washed out.
This sutra says:
In this beginningless world,
millions and millions of karma, action- impressions, are accumulated.
Naturally, every day, each
moment, the action-impressions are being accumulated. We are sitting, standing,
breathing - action is happening. We are sleeping, dreaming - action is
happening.
Nobody can run away from
action, because running away is also an action. Where will one go?
Will you go and sit down in a
jungle? Sitting is also an action. Will you close your eyes there?
Closing the eyes is also an
action. Anything you may do, where there is any doing there is karma, the
action.
Each moment so many actions are
being done. Their shadow, their memory, their impression, their conditioning
goes on gathering within us. Whatsoever you are doing is getting accumulated
over your being. It is like grooves made on a gramophone disc. When you play
back the disc, all that is stored in those grooves becomes alive and starts
manifesting itself again. Your mind is exactly the same - a recorded collection
of all your actions, everything accumulated. Whatsoever you have done, the
grooves have formed upon you. And these grooves are of your endless lives. It
is a big burden. And you go on repeating almost the same things over and over
again. Your condition is almost like a worn out disc where the needle has got
stuck in the same groove and you go on playing it - the same line repeats
itself again and again and again.
What are you doing? Yesterday
you did the same thing, the day before yesterday you did the same thing, today
you are doing the same thing, tomorrow you will also do the same thing - the
same anger, the same greed, the same attachment, the same lust, everything the
same... a worn-out record. The needle is stuck in the same groove, unable to
get past it, and creating the same sound over and over.
This is why there is so much
boredom in life. There is bound to be, because nothing new happens.
The needle simply does not
proceed further. Just look back on the past thirty, forty years of your life:
What have you done? You are playing the same record, the same thing goes on
repeating itself every day. This is what the seers of India have called
avagaman, the cycle of birth and death. The same again, the same again; the
same in this life, the same in the next life, the same in the life after that
life - the story of the past is the same, the story of the future is the same.
The same sexual desire, the same anger, the same hate, the same friendship, the
same enmity, the same earning of money, the same making of a house - and after
doing all this one finds one day that a gust of wind has come and this whole
house of cards has collapsed.
But just as children
immediately collect the cards and start building the house again, we also
immediately take a new birth and get busy with building a new house of cards.
This time we try to build a stronger house; but the plan of the house is the
same, the structure is the same - the mind is the same. We end up doing the
same again and go on sinking the same way again and again.
It is not only the sun that
sets every evening and rises again in the morning - you also go on setting and
rising in the same manner. It is circular, a wheel. The word samsara means a
wheel, which goes on revolving, on the same axis.
The endless karma, the
action-impressions that are accumulated, get destroyed by this samadhi.
This is worth understanding,
because many people think that if bad action-impressions have accumulated, we
should destroy them by good actions. They are mistaken. Bad action-impressions
cannot be destroyed by good action-impressions. Bad action-impressions will
also remain intact and good actions will be accumulated - that is what will happen
at the most. They do not cancel each other. There is no way for them to cancel
each other.
A person commits a theft, then
he repents and becomes a sadhu, a good man. By becoming a sadhu, those
action-impressions of the theft that are lying within him are not cancelled.
There is no way for that. A separate action-impression, that of being a sadhu,
forms. The action-impression of being a sadhu does not coincide with the
action-impression of being a thief. What has a sadhu to do with a thief? You
were a thief, you had drawn one kind of action-groove on the mind. Then you
became a sadhu. Now the action-grooves of being a sadhu do not get drawn over
those of being a thief, because being a sadhu is the happening of a different
part of your mind from that of being a thief.
What happens instead?
Over the action-grooves of the
thief are crammed the action-grooves of the sadhu; nothing is cancelled. The
sadhu rides over the thief, that's all that happens. This means yet another
man, a thief-sadhu, is born. The goodness of being a sadhu cannot cancel the
badness of stealing. The thief continues to remain within, only an imposition
takes place - merely one more rider on top of it.
So even the thief was okay in a
way, even the sadhu was okay in a way, but this hotch-potch of thief and sadhu
that is created is the big trouble. It is a continuous inner conflict, because
the thief continues his efforts and the sadhu continues his efforts. And God
alone knows how many different forms we accumulate within us which do not cancel
each other, which are created separately and remain so. Hence this sutra says
that they are all destroyed through samadhi.
Action does not cancel action.
Nonaction destroys action. Understand this properly: action does not cancel
action, action makes action only more dense. Only nonaction cancels action. And
nonaction is attained in samadhi, when the doer does not exist any more.
When we reach that state of
consciousness where there is only being, not the doing at all, where not even a
ripple of doing has arisen ever, where only the being, the existence has always
remained - the being, not the doing - in that moment of being, one suddenly
realizes that all the actions that had ever been done by you were not done by
you. Some actions were done by the body - let the body have the responsibility
for them. Some actions were done by the mind - let the mind have the
responsibility for them. But you had not done any actions at all.
Simultaneous to this
realization the network of all action-impressions is destroyed. The soul-ness
is the cancelation of all actions. It is on losing the soul-ness that the
illusion that, "I have done," is created.
When a person is stealing, it
is either activated by his body or by his mind. Some people's bodies come to
such a condition that stealing has to be done. A person is hungry, the body
compels him to do the stealing. The soul never commits any theft. There is the
body's hunger, its pain, and its misery; or one's child is dying and there is
no money for medicine - one commits the theft. All this is a theft because of
the body.
Up until now we have not been
able to differentiate between the thief from the body and the thief from the
mind. A thief from the body means that it is the society that is criminal. A
thief from the mind is himself criminal - a thief from the mind is a different
matter. He does not need anything, back home his coffers are full, but he finds
a penny lying on the road and he picks it up and puts in his pocket. Now, this
man is a thief from the mind. It is not because of any physical need, his body
is not imploring him to steal, but his greed. This one penny is not really
going to add to his wealth but something will be added, at least one penny.
He may have millions of rupees,
but the intention to pick up one paisa remains - this man is the real criminal.
But he is never caught. It is the thief who steals because of the body needs
who is caught.
The real culprit is the other
one, because he has no reason at all - on the body level - to steal, and yet he
steals. Stealing is his habit, he derives juice from stealing.
Psychology talks about a
disease known as kleptomania. It is a disease of the mind. Most people are
suffering from this disease, but only some persons, whose disease becomes
acute, come to the notice of psychology.
I have known one professor, a
rich man, very well off, who had everything one may desire, but he had only one
son and this son was a kleptomaniac. He was suffering from this disease of
stealing.
He would steal anything - it
did not matter what that thing was. If he came to your house and a button was
lying on the floor, he would immediately put it in his pocket. He had no use
for it. There may be even a sewing needle lying somewhere and he would put it
in his pocket. He would be looking at a book of yours and he would tear off a
page and put it in his pocket.
The professor once asked me
what to do about him, because he did not steal such things that you felt that
he was really stealing and was a thief. He just took trivial things. The boy
was studying for his M.A. degree. He was clever. I developed a little
relationship with him, so he took me to see his closet where he had kept
everything that he had ever stolen. Each item was labelled as to who was
deceived for a certain thing, from whose house a certain other thing was
removed, etcetera. He was relishing the fact that up till now nobody had been
able to know who had taken away a certain thing and how. If he had stolen a
button from your house, on the label was written, "I brought it from such
and such person's house, right in front of his nose, but he could not have had
even an inkling that such a thing was taking place."
Now this interest in stealing
is of a different type. It has nothing to do with body-need. Thefts are either
from the body or from the mind, there is no theft from the soul. So the day you
enter your soul, you suddenly realize, "I have not done those thefts, I
have not performed those actions, I was only present in those actions. It is
true that those actions could not have been committed without me. It is also
true that I had not committed those actions."
Science uses a word, very
valuable and significant - catalytic agent. If you split water you will get
hydrogen and oxygen, nothing else. H2O is the formula - two atoms of hydrogen
and one atom of oxygen constitute water. But if you mix two atoms of hydrogen
and one atom of oxygen you will not get water.
This is very interesting. When
you split water, you get two parts of hydrogen and one part of oxygen.
Naturally, when you mix these
two in the same proportion you should get water. But that does not happen.
There is one more thing whose presence is required for the making of water. It
does not enter the actual formulation, but the formulation itself can take
place only in its presence. That thing is electricity, in this case, and it is
called a catalytic agent. In the sky, when lightning happens, it acts as a
catalytic agent and water is formed from the oxygen and hydrogen present in the
air. It does not do anything, it does not enter the water, but its presence is
necessary.
If you take hydrogen and oxygen
and let an electric current pass through, water will be formed.
But if you split that water,
you will get only hydrogen and oxygen, not the electricity. It means that
electricity does not enter water as one of its constituents, but the water
cannot be formed without its presence. Science calls this particular phenomenon
a catalytic agent.
You cannot commit a theft
without the presence of a soul. The soul is like a catalytic agent, its
presence is necessary. The body alone - just the body alone - never goes out to
commit any theft.
Even if you slip money in the
pocket of a dead body, it won't be called a thief when discovered. What does a
corpse have to do with theft? Because it is a corpse, it cannot perform actions
as such.
Mind alone also cannot be a
thief. No matter how much a mind may think, it cannot commit a theft alone. Not
only that, if there was no soul inside it could not even think. The presence of
the soul is necessary, only then does the theft happen. But still, the day one
reaches to the soul one finds that the theft had happened in the presence of
the soul but the soul was not involved in the theft. The soul was only present.
Its presence is so powerful that things start happening.
A piece of magnet is lying
there; iron pieces are being attracted. Perhaps you may think that the magnet
is attracting them - you are wrong. The very presence of the magnet is enough.
It does not have to attract, it does not have to make any effort to attract.
The magnet does not have to contract any muscles to draw the iron pieces toward
it. A magnet does not even know that it is attracting.
The very presence of the magnet
and the iron pieces begin to be attracted.
The very presence of the soul
and actions begin; the body is activated, the mind is activated and the actions
begin their journey. The day you re-enter this soul, during samadhi, you are
freed of all action-impressions - not because these actions had in any way
bound you but because they had never bound you in the first place. You had
never before attained to your inner self, where you would have understood that
you are unbound.
This view of the Upanishad is
in one sense very much against morality. Because of this, there has been great
opposition towards the Upanishads deep within the mind. Whosoever is a moralist
would ask you to cancel your bad actions with good actions, to do good deeds
and not to do bad deeds.
The Upanishads say that
performing deeds as such is wrong. Whether you perform a good deed or a bad
deed, that is a secondary matter. Your notion of doing, that you are a doer -
that is the evil.
Evil is of two types: good evil
and bad evil, but both are evils, because the belief that you do something is
the fallacy. You are only present and the action is happening, action is
happening only in your presence. You are only a witness, not a doer.
The day you taste this presence
not as a doer but as a witness you will find out that whatever has ever
happened only happened around you; whatever has ever happened you have not
done, it only happened around you. Events had happened, had happened close by
to you, but still you had remained apart from them.
It is just as when you dream at
night and you get up in the morning and you say, "I had a dream"; you
remain separate from it. It may be that you committed a theft in the dream, it
may be that you became imprisoned in the dream, it may be that you saved
yourself from going to jail by paying a bribe. Anything can happen in a dream,
but when you wake up in the morning the dream disappears completely - as if it
had never happened. After waking up in the morning you don't regard yourself as
a thief.
But did you ever give it a
thought: could the dream have been there without you? The dream could happen
because you were there. If you were not there... the dream would not happen to
a dead body. The dream happened because you were there, your presence was a
must for it to happen.
Yet on waking up in the morning
you do not feel concerned that you committed a theft. What to do now to offset
it? Fast, do penance, give to charity, renounce? What to do? No, you do not
feel to do anything. A dream does not even remain in the memory for more than
two minutes after waking up.
It disappears like a column of
smoke.
In the state of right samadhi
the whole of life feels like a dream, whatsoever has been lived... not just in
this life but in the infinite lives in arriving to the state of samadhi. Just
as in the morning when you come to the awake state from sleep, similarly, when
you arrive in samadhi from this so-called waking state, that whole circle of
the past, all that dream-stuff disappears like smoke.
The one who has arrived in
samadhi knows for the first time that, "I just am; all the actions that
have happened near me are like dreams." And no anxiety or regret about
them remains. Neither any self-praise remains, "What great deeds I have
done," nor any self-condemnation remains, "What mean deeds I have
done." No, everything disappears.
In your dreams, whether you
were an emperor, a great sannyasin, a murderer or a thief - none of these alter
the taste of your morning tea. All the three become meaningless. It is not that
if you were an emperor in your dream then in the morning you are drinking your
tea dreaming of the dream, or if you were a thief, a scoundrel, a murderer in
the dream, then you are feeling guilty and the tea tastes acrid. Nor do you
give up taking tea because you were a sadhu, a sage in the dream. It also does
not happen that you think, "I have been a saint all night long and now I
am drinking tea the next morning - what a shameful act." No, when you
drink your tea in the morning all your dreams have gone.
I have heard... Rinzai was a
great Zen master in Japan, and once, when he got up in the morning, he told his
disciple who was standing by, "I will narrate a dream I saw last night if
you will explain to me."
His disciple said, "Please
wait for a couple of minutes, I shall first bring water for you to wash your
face and hands."
The disciple brought the water.
Rinzai washed his face and hands and smiled. By that time another disciple had
come. Rinzai said, "I had a dream last night. I was going to tell the
dream to this first disciple, asking him to define it, but he defined it before
my telling him. Will you define it? Shall I tell it to you?" The other
disciple said, "Kindly wait a minute, let me first bring a cup of tea for
you and then we will see."
After drinking the tea, Rinzai
laughed and said, "I am very pleased, now there is no need to tell you my
dream." There was yet another person present who was watching all this. He
thought there was no limit to the foolishness. He said, "There is a limit
to everything. The dream has not even been told and the definitions have
already been made, and everything is solved." He requested Rinzai to at
least narrate the dream, so one could know what the dream was.
Rinzai said, "I was
testing my disciples. Had they shown any readiness to define the dream I would
have thrown them out of the monastery. Is there any need to define a dream? It
was a dream, and the matter is over. This first one did the right thing. He was
saying, 'There is still some shadow of the dream lurking, so just wash your
face with cold water.' This second one also did the right thing:
'Perhaps the washing of your
face was not enough, the dream is still lurking hazily in the mind, so have a
cup of hot tea and wake up!' - and that is the definition of a dream. Can there
be any other definition of a dream? Just wake up and a dream becomes
meaningless. What is there to define in it? No one ever bothers to define what
is meaningless."
What we call big deeds, small
deeds, good deeds, bad deeds - how many divisions have we not made - moral,
immoral, good conduct, bad conduct; they all become meaningless, futile in
samadhi.
On awakening in samadhi one
finds out that it was all a long, endless, infinite dream, and one was just
present there. You had not entered it, you were standing just outside. This is
why all action- impressions are destroyed, and dharma, the self-nature, arises.
When all action-impressions are cancelled, when all that we were involved in is
cancelled, we come to know that which we are, that which is our being, our
self-nature. Self-nature is dharma, the religion.
The knowers of yoga call it
dharmamegha - the raincloud of dharma - samadhi, because it showers a thousand
nectar-streams of dharma, the self-nature, like a raincloud.
Dharmamegha is a lovely word.
Clouds we have seen. When Ashadh, the first month of monsoon comes, clouds
gather in the sky. But we are not aware of the whole phenomenon. Those clouds
gather in the sky in Ashadh, and the peacocks start dancing. Big cracks have
developed in the vast stretches of land due to the summer heat, as if the earth
has opened its lips, as if the earth has opened its doors on all sides to drink
the drops of water to its heart's content. And the thirsty earth has been
waiting for so long, and the thirsty trees have been listless like fishes
thrown out on dry sand. Then those clouds gather in the sky and the rains begin
to shower under the shadow of the dark clouds, and a dance, a song spreads all
over.
Dharmamegha is a phenomenon
similar to Ashadh that happens within you. It is as if your being was thirsty
for lifetimes, cracks had appeared in it, there was no trace of the water
anywhere that may quench the thirst. You were drinking water, but that only
increased the thirst rather than quenching it. You drank many types of water
and traveled to many water sources, and who knows what you did not search for
and hold on to. But every time the hope turned into despair, nothing came to
your hands. This thirsty and torn-apart earth of your entire being, full of
longing... rainclouds gather over it for the first time in the moments of
samadhi, Ashadh comes within, and a rainshower of nectar - it is only a symbol
- a rainshower of nectar starts happening for the first time. For the first
time, in the moments of samadhi, the soul is bathed and the nectar starts
showering from those clouds in an endless number of streams.
This description is only
symbolic. The actual happening is far bigger. Calling it nectar cannot actually
give us any idea about it. But still we get some indication that the clouds
gathered in the sky... rainshowers started from them and the soul, thirsty for
lives upon lives, was satiated.
The knowers of yoga call it
dharmamegha - the raincloud of dharma - samadhi, because it showers a thousand
nectar-streams of dharma, the self-nature, like a raincloud.
But why is it called
dharmamegha? Because the self-nature for the first time showers upon oneself.
Dharma means the self-nature.
Whatsoever we have known up to
now was the nature of the other. Sometimes when beauty was seen it was in
someone else. Sometimes when love was received it was from someone else.
Happiness was received,
unhappiness was received. It was always from the other, all information was
through others; there was no experience of one's own. Someone else, someone
else, someone else - always the other and only that other was important. Now
for the first time the other is removed and the self starts showering over the self.
It is like our own springs have burst open, it is like one found one's own
source and the self began showering over the self.
Dharmamegha means the
self-nature has started showering. You yourself become bathed in it, drowned in
it; become fresh, become new. All the action-impressions, all their dust, all
the mess from the infinite journeys, all the rubbish that has gathered over
one, is all swept away. All that remains is naturalness, spontaneity; all that
remains is oneself, nothing else.
In one sense we can call it the
ultimate blessedness, in one sense we can say this is the ultimate treasure,
and in one sense we can say this is the ultimate poverty. If we think of the
divine, this man has attained the ultimate wealth. It is this dharmamegha
samadhi that Jesus called, "Poverty of the spirit." When someone
reaches this point he becomes poor in every respect. Now he has nothing else
except himself, nothing else remains except one's own self. This is what will
be called poverty.
This is why Buddha called his
sannyasins bhikkhus, not swamis. It was because of the dharmamegha samadhi.
Buddha said, "I will not call my sannyasins swamis, I will call them
bhikkhus." But they mean the same thing. If you look from the side of the
world they have become bhikkhus, beggars; if you look from the side of the
divine they have become swamis, the owners, the emperors.
Hindus were using the word
swami from the other aspect: after attaining to samadhi one becomes for the
first time an emperor, a master. Up to now one had been a beggar, begging all
around, with folded hands and an outstretched begging bowl. Up to now your soul
had been nothing more than a begging bowl. Whatever crumbs of bread someone
threw in that begging bowl was your only treasure. Leftovers, defiled and stale
food, crumbs fallen down from the dining tables - you were collecting it all
and considering it your wealth. He was a beggar up to now.
Hence Hindus called the
sannyasin attaining to this dharmamegha samadhi, swami. But Buddha said,
"Whatever was there up to this time - all the riches, the empire, the
whole world - has all been left behind. Nothing of the other has remained, only
the self. The ultimate poverty has happened.
When you are just alone without
anything else, not even clothes, not even your own house, not even your own
land - nothing is left as your own but only the self... who can be poorer? Even
a beggar has something other than just his self. It may be little, but it is
something; something other than his self. It may be just underwear, but that
too is wealth."
Even a beggar is not so much a
beggar that he is all alone, without anything else.
Buddha told his bhikkhus that
the world should drop from them in such a way that nothing remains, that not
even a trace of the world remains. You become a total beggar as far as the
world and its belongings are concerned.
But these two things are the
same. One who becomes a beggar from the side of the world becomes a swami from
the side of the soul. One who becomes a swami from the side of the soul becomes
a beggar from the side of the world. That is why we have given so much respect
to the bhikkhu, as never to any person with possessions. We have installed the
bhikkhu on a throne on which we have never installed even an emperor. The word
bhikkhu became respectable.
Now the meaning of the word
bhikkhu is beggar, and if you call someone a bhikkhu he will want to fight with
you. But Buddha called his most blessed disciples bhikkhus. Whosoever he called
bhikkhu became blessed. Sometimes such people create problems even in the field
of language. People like Buddha leave the language topsy-turvy. There was a
clear meaning for the word bhikkhu and he spoiled it. He gave it a totally new
meaning - the bhikkhu became an emperor. If emperors bowed down at the feet of
bhikkhus, that endowed great dignity to the bhikkhu.
Dharmamegha samadhi makes one a
beggar from one side and an emperor from the other side.
In this samadhi, the network of
desires dissolves completely and the thickets of accumulated karma called virtue
and sin are uprooted at their very source.
Remember, both virtue and sin.
This is the depth of the Upanishadic thinking. The thickets of virtue and sin,
both; all the good you had done, that too, all the bad you had done, that
too... the thickets of both are destroyed at their roots.
Do not think that when you
attain God you will keep the bank balance of your virtues with you - "I
built an inn for free accommodation. I built a temple. I gave food to a certain
number of brahmins.
Do you have a record of that?"
If you arrived at the gates of paradise with an account of all this, it does
not matter if the inscription at the entrance says 'Paradise', inside you will
find only hell.
In the language of this world,
virtue and sin are higher and lower. Sin is bad and virtue is good. This may be
alright in the view of the society, but in the ultimate view of dharma, both
virtue and sin are meaningless because being a doer is sin and being a non-doer
is virtue. There is one thing that is clear - only one who is a non-doer, one
who is egoless, will be able to enter. Only he will be able to enter there who
is not - one who has disappeared and is going there as a nothingness. If you as
an ego are still there even slightly the path is very narrow, you will not be
able to enter.
There is a statement by Jesus
which has never had its spiritual meaning explained. In fact, the West is not
capable of finding the spiritual meaning; hence whatever meaning is derived
turns out to be worldly.
Jesus' words are, "It is
possible for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, but a rich person
shall never be able to enter the kingdom of my Lord." But after two
thousand years of Christianity not even once has anybody rightly interpreted
the statement. Two thousand years is a long time.
The whole interpretation that
has been given is that a rich person cannot go to heaven. Is there a
possibility that a camel may pass through the eye of a needle? It cannot
happen. How can a camel pass through the eye of a needle? But that which is not
possible, Jesus says, may somehow happen; some trick may be devised, some way
may be found for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. But a rich person
will not be able to gain entry past the doors of heaven. Christianity took only
its superficial meaning, but that is not its true meaning.
What is meant by a rich person
is, one who feels even slightly that he has something. A rich person is one who
has the notion of having something. So if somebody feels he has earned virtues,
he is a rich person. If somebody feels that he has been a sadhu, observing
self-control, penance, he is a rich man. The meaning of a rich man is someone
who says he has something about him other than himself. This is a rich man. If
he says, "I performed this many prayers, observed this many fasts, have
stood in the hot sun for this many days. For years I have been standing on my
feet without sitting down. I did this much service to the poor, have visited
this many hospitals, have done this, have done that" - if he has anything to
claim then this man is that rich man.
Now listen to the statement of
Jesus again: "It is possible for a camel to pass through the eye of a
needle, but a rich person shall not be able to enter the kingdom of my
Lord."
Who is poor? One who has
nothing to claim when standing in front of God. And if one says, "I have
meditation, I have virtues, I have religion"? No, one who stands empty in
front of God and says, "I have nothing, only I am. Whatsoever I am is all
that you have given me, there are no accumulations of my own; my very being is
my everything, I have no account of even my actions..." One who stands at
that door with such an emptiness is the poor person. He is the bhikkhu of
Buddha, the 'poor man' of Jesus. Such a person is able to enter the kingdom of
God.
So the right meaning of being
poor is, one who is empty. One who is empty is able to enter. And this is why
Jesus talked of a camel. The eye of a needle is very small - there is no way
for a camel to pass through it. The door to the kingdom of God is even smaller
than the eye of a needle - only an emptiness can pass through it. Even if there
is a little of something with you, even a little of the 'I', it will get stuck.
You are trying to pass through the eye of a needle along with your camel. It is
not possible. Drop the camel!
But it is very difficult to
give up our vehicles, because on vehicles we look taller. This is how Jesus
must have thought of a camel. Whosoever is riding on their ego is riding on a
camel. And everybody knows how troublesome a camel ride is. The ego ride is a
camel ride. One has to bear with lots of jerks and jumps, it is continuously
going up and down. However, one appears to be high.
One has to come down from the
camel. Whatsoever you have, it has come from your doing - everything,
whatsoever! Whatsoever you have because of your doing is limited by your mind,
mind is its boundary. Nothing reaches up to the soul that has come from your
doing.
The network of desires
dissolves completely... Karma - the action- impressions - called virtue and sin
are all uprooted at their very source.
Then this statement...
Tattvamasi - that art thou - being true, is only realized indirectly.
Then for the first time it is
experienced what these seers mean - what this Tattvamasi is, That art thou. It
is for the first time indirectly experienced - indirectly! Even now it is not
seen very clearly.
Even now it only feels so, it
is only touched, inferred; it is not yet directly experienced. When this
dharmamegha showers over one, when the mind becomes absolutely empty and the
poverty becomes ultimate and the seeker becomes nothing but an emptiness
within, then for the first time this supreme statement, Tattvamasi, that you
are the Brahma, is experienced indirectly.
These seers of the Upanishads
are very wonderful people. Still they say it is not a direct experience.
Still it is as if we are
sitting with closed eyes, and the sound of somebody's footsteps is heard and we
feel that somebody has come; but it is indirect. It is very dark and difficult
to see, and suddenly the echo of a tuneful song spreads and we feel that
somebody is singing. This is indirect knowledge.
Indirect means, so far there is
no face-to-face encounter, so far it is only being sensed. The first thing that
happens after the dharmamegha shower is the indirect experience of the
statement, "Tattvamasi - That art thou - that which is said by the seers,
the Upanishads, is right." That statement which you had heard - had
listened to in shravana, contemplated in manan, assimilated in nididhyasan,
attained oneness in samadhi, now on the showering of the dharmamegha samadhi is
bound to be right. When you understand, "That is right," this is an
indirect knowledge. But today one comes to feel it, one tastes it - that it has
been said rightly.
Is only realized indirectly...
When this indirect knowledge becomes stabilized and when there remains not even
a single ripple of the opposite of any kind anywhere, when it settles
indubitably, becomes an implicit trust, then the direct knowledge, like a
myrobalan fruit kept on one's own palm, is born.
When the indirect knowledge
becomes completely stabilized, when the total being experiences and says that
the seers were right in saying, "Tattvamasi - That art thou"; when
there remains not a single ripple of any kind of the opposite anywhere, when it
feels wholly the truth - but still indirect - then the experience of Tattvamasi
becomes direct and immediate, as if someone has placed a myrobalan fruit on
your palm. Such a man then does not say, "What the seers had said is
right."
Such a man says,
"Tattvamasi is now my statement."
With indirect knowledge, this
man says, "Because the seers have said it, I can say that it is
right." In direct knowledge, this man will say, "I say it is right,
hence the seers also must have been right in saying so." Try to understand
this difference properly.
In indirect knowledge the
evidence was from the Vedas, the seers, the scriptures. That is why the journey
had begun with shravana - listening. The master has said it, so it must be
right - the search had begun in this trust. It is indirect knowledge as long as
you feel, "The master has said it, so it must be right." And one who
knows the master accepts positively that the master must have said it right.
If somebody is with Buddha and
Buddha says, "Tattvamasi - That art thou," then this man cannot even
conceive of any falsehood. He has no idea if this statement is right or not,
but he knows Buddha, so what Buddha says becomes authentic for him. That
something unauthentic can come out of Buddha is out of the question for him, he
cannot conceive this.
For one who has lived near the
master, has known the master, the master's words are the evidence for him. But,
"The master's words are the evidence," is indirect knowledge, it has
come from the other. This will be the first realization. When a disciple of
Buddha attains samadhi he will bow down at the feet of Buddha with folded hands
and say, "Now I know that what you had said is right."
But when this realization
deepens more and he drowns more and more, the situation will change completely.
Then he will say, "I know it. And now I say that it is my experience that
it is right, what the master had said is also right."
Now this person himself becomes
the evidence, this person himself becomes the scripture. It is such persons we
have called a buddha, a tirthankara, an incarnation, a person who himself is
the evidence - those who do not say that because it is written so in the Vedas
it is right, but who say that because it is known by them to be right, it is
right. And if the Vedas are also saying the same thing, then on the authority
of their knowing, the Vedas are also right. And if the Vedas are not saying so
the Vedas are wrong. Now the criterion is one's own experience. Now one's own
touchstone is available.
This is the state of the
siddhas, the fulfilled ones.
When samadhi enters from the
indirect knowledge into the direct knowledge it becomes the state of siddhas.
Only if a person having attained to such a state returns via samadhi,
assimilation and contemplation up to the step of discourse, do we get the news
of that world. So if we have given so much respect to the scriptures, it is
because they are the words of those that were heard by the people living close
to them and who had found that whatsoever this person says he can never say
anything wrong. Yet such people do not ask one to believe in what they are
saying.
Buddha says, "Think,
reflect, contemplate, assimilate, practice, and if it becomes your own
experience, only then accept it. Do not accept just because I am saying it, do
not accept just because Buddha is saying it, do not accept just because the
scriptures are saying it. No, you seek and search for it, and when it becomes
your own experience then you will also become a witness for it.
A person who has attained to
samadhi becomes a witness in favor of all the scriptures - not a knower of them
but a witness for them. A pundit becomes knowledgeable of them, an enlightened
one becomes the witness. A pundit says scriptures are saying the right thing
because it appeals to the logic, an enlightened one says scriptures are saying
the right thing because that is my experience too.
Enough for today.
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